Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Joey Caloni's avatar

who brings legislation, how is it developed and then be worked on? if all everyone gets is a vote, or to delegate their vote, who is actually making the policy? The parties?

delegate structures are good and more democratic, but if capitalism still exists, like he rightly points out, money will remain in politics. He concedes there will still be corruption but it will be more dispersed, which is harder? I think it will be very similar. You delegate your vote on the environment to an 'environmental' org that you have seen, but that org is actually funded by a firm somewhere.

For the majority of people, they will pick the most visible org like 'sierra club' or whatever.

if capitalism still exists, class still exists, which means voters or delegates of voters will vote according to their class position. This is tolerable if everyone had to vote themselves, because majority of us are working class, but in capitalism we have all sorts of divisions within the working class like race, sex, education etc. Capitalists will still use this with big ads to ensure that the working class is divided. the 9/11 example is poignant.

liquid democracy will slow the capitalists hold on power down, yes. but like with other socialist electoral projects, if anything actually threatens the structure of capital, the rich will flock to fascism. They will put money in ads for slowly chipping away at any real democracy. They will get the policy makers to put forward a well dressed bill that looks like it is making peoples lives better, but really erodes their power. Shit, they will arm militias and PMC's to prevent any actual radical change in how our economy runs. If it means they will lose their millions or billions and thus their power, they would rather kill people or at least enough of them would. All it takes is some socio-economic turmoil and one crazy elon musk with enough money to put hitler shit into action.

Christopher Page's avatar

I really appreciate the clarity and depth of thought here. And yet, I worry that there's a ceiling to the level of systemic complexity that our species can sustainably manage. You're trying to upgrade the "medieval institutions" that E.O. Wilson names, but I don't know that our collective emotional or cognitive capacity can be upgraded or evolved at a sufficient enough rate to inhabit the system you're suggesting (let alone the tech that we've already built and continue to build!)

12 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?